saying not with any of our stuff. 80 democrats are saying better not touch entitlements with leave medicare alone and medicaid alone. don't think about touching social security echoing many of the same warnings. it leaving you wondering if they are not cutting and we're down to tax hikes that republicans are proposing, where is all of this going? to charles? >> i guess we go through the weekend sing no one knows where it is going. it's going nowhere. the irony was set up as ultimate. we're going to force you to make the ultimate choice. it will include combination of taxes or revenue and spending cuts. spending cut parted has not been in the conversation at all and it's absurd because that is the crux of the problem. >> neil: we both had conversations with congressmen, they don see any need to cut. the best they do is promise they will address next year? >> what is going to end up happening, if they did agree to some cuts and changes to entitlements, you will see tax increases immediately and then an agreement to cut spending down the road, changes to the entitlement programs down the road